Wednesday, December 14, 2005

An urgent update because Cait is desperate to know

No, it’s not a scheduling conflict. We were advised by the director of the center where we planned to take it not to come.

I guess we didn’t really say a whole lot here about how frustrating we found our childbirth class to be. That’s kind of funny, considering how short-story-long I tend to be, but it would have been nothing but kvetching, and it would have been a lot of kvetching. A whole lot. That aside, we didn’t really like it, nor did we get much out of it.

Here is where I toot my own horn.

We’re generally very well-versed in scientific matters, specifically those around childbirth, and we have the means to learn the things we’re interested in. When I want to know about outcomes of specific interventions, I look them up in the current research—as does Brooke. When I wanted to know about over-medicalized childbirth, I read The Thinking Woman’s Guide to a Better Birth—as did Brooke. It would be an understatement (toot toot) to say that Brooke and I went into the childbirth class with a wide body of knowledge about childbirth and medicine.

We were reminded of this fact as we took the class. As it turns out, this was the first time the instructor had done an entire 6-class session, a fact which was painfully obvious as the course went on. She rambled. She told stories. She went off on tangents. She was asked direct questions and failed to answer them. She supplied inaccurate information (e.g., group beta strep is what causes strep throat, Pitocin is made from the urine of pregnant horses) and was chafed when corrected. She was clearly not up to date on her research and seemed to think that Mothering magazine is as good as a peer-reviewed journal. Don’t get me wrong—Mothering often contains valuable information and tells a side of the parenting story that isn’t heard in mainstream parenting magazines. All biases about the magazine aside (it’s essentialist, ignores lesbian moms, and demands that there’s a right way to do things, and any less is tantamount to child abuse), it’s not a peer-reviewed journal and does not hold itself up to the standards of one.

And she really didn’t deal with the lesbian thing. She started out pretending to, and by the end of the course, she had just plain given up. She talked about dads and fathers most of the time, only occasionally throwing in the word “partner” with a pointed look or gesture at Brooke. Brooke was one of three participants in the “dads” class held one night while the birthing moms were doing pseudo-yoga, yet it was still called a “dads” class by the instructor for the remainder of the session. There was a lot of essentialist bullshit flung about, including the statement that the kind of energy required to get the baby in was the same kind of energy required to get the baby out.

I think you know where I stand on that idea, but let me add this: not all pregnancies, including those carried to term and raised in loving households by (perhaps among others) the birthing mother, were created intentionally or under pleasing circumstances. A woman who conceived the child she intends to raise under coercive or even forced sexual circumstances probably doesn’t want to relive that in her birth experience. Whether the conception occurred medically, forcibly, or with wine and chocolate, the person doing the birthing must be given the right to decide how the baby comes out.

The director asked me to tell her how to deal with inclusive language. I said that partner and parent were great for me. She asked about using the phrase “partner or father” and seemed annoyed that I contradicted a fellow lesbian who suggested it. The phrase “partner or father” implies both that partners are not parents (or parents-to-be) and that fathers are not partners. I guess I need to get back in touch with the other lesbians in the national database and come to a compromise on the matter.

The phone conversation I had with the director consisted of her implying I was running all over town talking smack about the center*, when in reality I was simply discussing my childbirth class with my pregnancy medical care provider; my telling her how we felt about the way the instructor handled the lesbian issue; my telling her about the errors of fact and unpreparedness of the instructor; and her telling me that, despite the fact that I was willing to attend the class this Saturday, Brooke and I should not attend and that our presence would make the instructor “self-conscious.”

So there you have it. More coming soon, I’m sure. We intend to discuss the matter more thoroughly with our beloved CNM as well as with one another. Brooke’s perspective will be coming within the next several days, but please be patient, as she worked 13.5 hours on Monday and 12 hours yesterday and is scheduled to do overtime this week.



* Sure, now I am, but not until after she kicked me out of the class.

18 comments:

Jen said...

Holy cow. What crap. Do you have other options or are they the only game in town?

Let us know if you want to get a dyke posse together to do some "education" of our own!

Trista said...

We had similar problems in our childbirth class. And it was so disappointing because we were so excited to start it. I was treated as a curiosity that placed more work on the instructor to try to remember to be inclusive. The class was essentialist and reinforcing of traditional gender roles in childbirth and parenting and generally nothing we didn't already know or couldn't have figured out by reading the book ourselves.

And we let our doctor know about our experience.

But that's just crap that they are more interested in maintaining a reputation than making genuine attempts to address your concerns and improve.

Is this where you two are going to birth?

Emilin said...

We'll be birthing in a hospital with someone on the certified nurse midwife team, and the place where the classes took place is a separate entity.

In addition to this place, there are also Lamaze and Bradley orgs in town, and both have breastfeeding classes. I would, of course, be willing to indulge the dyke posse in their efforts to educate these folks.

Liza said...

Ugh! How awful and frustrating.

And how it makes me dread our boot-camp childbirth class on Saturday.

I'm with you on partner or parent. I think single moms might appreciate the open-options sound that has, not just dykes.

We went to breastfeeding class last weekend, and I was all excited because the instructor also gave the hospital tour I went on the week before. On the tour, where everyone except me appeared to be part of a hetero couple, she used the term "partner" 90-95% of the time. I felt excited and included.

And in breastfeeding class, where there were more women there alone or with someone obviously not a "father," that ratio was reversed.

And most of the humor in the class had to do with the idea that men pay more attention to breasts than women do -- the implication being that this is for sexual reasons.

(Don't even get me started on the quality of the education other than that. 1 hour of the 3 should not be spent on the biochemistry of breastmilk (poor Jill had to keep waking me up!), and if you say that this is an evidence-based course, not an opinion-based one, you should not illustrate every non-chemistry point with your own experience.)

Shelli said...

holy moley! the brilliance that surronds us amazes me.

loved the national database part.

heh.

Beth said...

Oh, for Pete's sake. What's wrong with just using the word "Partner" without an "or" ANYTHING? And how *nice* that they're more concerned about the instructor's comfort level than, say, providing you with information. GRRRR.

Sara said...

Sometimes I can't believe how rigid and un-evolved some people can be (I'm talking about the instructor). I think that the use of "partner" would be the most inclusive and therefore preferred way to describe anyone who attends breastfeeding or birthing classes with a pregnant woman. This could include biological fathers, lesbian partners, friends of any sex who are going to be a birthing coach, etc.

I'm sorry that your class was such a dud. Hopefully you will find the resources you need from somewhere else or on your own.

I would be badmouthing the class till I'm out of breath!

Ozmum2be said...

My partner and I had similar problems with our ante-natal classes. I spoke to the director and the educator and I'm pleased to say that my problems with the classes were resolved and they now use inclusive language.

Unfortunately, our main problem is actually with the other couples in our class. One couple makes a big show out of refusing to sit near us and will constantly correct the educator about her use of language.

For example, if the educator says something like "While mummy and baby are in hospital partners are encouraged to attend the in-hospital information sessions"

This couple will then say "Oh, so daddies are encouraged to attend the infomation sessions? Is that what you mean?"

It drives me bonkers!!!! This isn't the fault of the antenatal classes though so I can't really expect them to do anything about it. I guess I should approach the couple directly about it but they are so smug in their heterosexuality I would probably just end up pointing out they are aren't perfect either and that being homophobic and bigoted is far worse in my opinion than being a lesbian.

Sorry this turned into a bit of a vent, I just wanted you to know that you aren't alone.

Tammy Harrison said...

De-Lurker here! Although there are many issues associated with your experience, I wanted to jump in and comment about the class itself. I'm a mom and have had 4 kids in 6 years - breastfed all of them. My first OB was a friend, and she actually asked me NOT to attend any classes - pre-natal or otherwise. She said the crap (ahem, content) they teach in them is counter-productive to what actually happens when the time comes to give birth or breastfeed. It made perfect sense to us, so we followed her instruction. We are an over-educated couple (18 years of college between us) and were not in the dark about what was about to happen with the first birth. We gave our doctor a birth plan and we discussed the good, bad and ugly of it. She followed our instructions tremendously, as best she could, and everything was great with that (and my subsequent) birth(s). When it was time for breastfeeding, we hired a lactation consultant to come to the hospital and our home, to give us the hands-on assistance we would need to be successful. I have to say, this was WAY better than any book I read on the subject - and, because we had such a great time with it, I continued to nurse the rest of the kids! Hope this helps a bit!

jenny said...

Poor little unprepared instructor! She just couldn't deal with a couple of uppity educated lesbos. That is seriously rude and sucky. I hope you find a better option soon.

Oh, also, Sarah and I are totally up for some dyke posse action, should the need arise.

Jennifer said...

I'm sorry your experience was so awful. Unfortunately, it seems to be par for the course. Susan and I didn't return after our first lesson for similar reasons. They didn't tell me anything in that first session that I didn't already know anyway. I managed to breastfeed both my children with no more education than reading the Dr. Sears Breastfeeding book, which I would be happy to send you.

Tricia said...

Sorry that sucks so majorly, but I'm totally in on the dyke posse. Just tell me where and when!

afrindiemum said...

national database. he he. love it.

but i'm really sorry about the crap with the birthing and breastfeeding classes. that's really crappy. and the breastfeeding class, i would think, would be one of the most valuable. although, not from her it sounds like. the 'meetings' i had with my lactation consultant were really eye opening and helpful to me.

starevelina said...

Wow. I'm sorry you had to deal with all of that. It seems like it shouldn't be so hard for someone to make a one-word switch (from father to parent, for example) and still make a world of difference for soon-to-be parents. You're definitely in good company, because I've read several stories of bad pre-birth classes- my partner and I like to educate ourselves, too, and it seems like a good idea to just forego the redundant classes when the time comes.
You should feel free to talk about the class, especially to others who might consider it at some point. The director shouldn't have tried to hold that over on you, as it's your right, and just shows that they're more about their own comfort and reputation than about families. Good luck!

lisaodessa said...

National database--heh! I read your blog sporadically but have surmised we live in the same town. Might check with LMN listserv or arborparents on lactation consultants now if you want to go that route. We had bfing problems and the LC we had come to our home was absolutely no help. She is very well regarded here. Many books read later I identified our problem (oversupply, very quick let down) that caused much heartache (mine) with our boys as newborns. This was now a while ago (boys now 6 and 9)so hopefully there are better resources available. We had no trouble in our childbirth classes 9 years ago--go figure--the educator used the term partner all the way and the other couples never batted an eye. Of course, we weren't all that educated on the ways of childbirth at that point, so I couldn't comment on the course content. Today would be a different story. Best of luck!

Calliope said...

Man. That blows.
You should set up your own class. As a potential single Mom I would have taken massive offense to the 'Father or Dad' comments.
Props to you for sticking to your guns.
But I'm still ready & available if you want to tp that chick's house. I may be straight, but I can channel a bit of Hothead Paisan if need be. ;-)

Katie (WannaBeMom) said...

Wow. I have been behind on blog reading. When, if, we ever get pregnant, you will have to let us know where this class was so we don't go there! This was appalling! I'd be furious. Wait. I am furious!

Stacie said...

Such an old post but I had to comment on this one:

the kind of energy required to get the baby in was the same kind of energy required to get the baby out.

Since we did IVF, a thoroughly unpleasant experience except in that it resulted in our children when the prone-to-personal-anecdotes-that-took-the-whole-class
instructor shared that energy comment I leaned over to Brian and whispered, "I hope not."